Q: Can you identify this mark? It is on the bottom of a 4 1/4-inch flow blue ironstone pot. A: This is a fake British Royal coat of arms mark. Manufacturers in England, the United States, and other countries used fake coat of arms marks to make their pottery seem older or more valuable. This "Victoria" mark was used on many new pieces of ironstone about twenty years ago. One clue to the fake: the mark is much too large for a small pot base.
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THERE WAS A POTTERY AND PORCELAIN FACTORY IN AUSTRIA - HUNGARY EMPIRE (IN BOHEMIA)THAT MARKED THEIR PRODUCTS ``VICTORIA``, THE MARKS ITSELF BEING VERY DIFFERENT IN SHAPE.SOMETIMES CHINA WAS MARKED ``VICTORIA``- AUSTRIA. THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT EXPORT TO UNITED KINGDOM.MOST OF THE PRODUCTS ARE DATED BETWEEN 1900 AND 1914, ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS THAT THE FACTORY CONTINUED PRODUCTION AFTER WW I IN CZECHOSLOVAKIA UNDER A DIFFERENT NAME.I THINK THAT THE ITEM IS NOT A FAKE BECAUSE THERE IS NO POINT TO PRINT A FAKE MARK OF AN UNKNOWN MANUFACTURE. JUST FOLLOW ``THE RULE OF THUMB`` FOR
19th CENTURY CHINA: NO MARKS MEANS LITTLE KNOWN, SMALL FACTORY, BECAUSE PRINTING MARKS INCREASED THE COST OF PRODUCTION.
IVAN MILOVIC,PhD.BELGRADE,SERBIA
i have studied this mark on that ironstone pottery for several years, it is a mexican pottery, co, it is made new it is not old, not even 20 years,i lived in bisbee arizona when i first bought a piece that looked to be flow blue with this mark, i got took big time, i kept the piece in my home and the more i looked at it the more i studied the man on the horse on most pieces, he and the horse are decked out, he is a mexican and his surroundings are mexico, i went to agua prieta mexico and found tons of this ironstone on pallets, it is made in mexico it is new made to look old and it is cheap in mexico..it fools many people. victoria is or was a high up figure in mexico, the stuff is not worth much, i have a friend that paid in missouri 157.00 for a wall pocket ,she swore it came from england but it did not, look very closely to the pictures on the items, mexican money has victoria on it and there is a place ,a town or county there called victoria
http://www.collectorscircle.com/bohemian/porcelain/marks_table2.html
this great website has hundreds if not thousands of pictures of marks on china.
I don't remember seeings a mark like that on Ginny's page. Also, Victoria mainly produced porcelein. there's some history of the factory there as well.
So, I would have to lean toward this being a fake, but I'm not a china expert.
I think the point of this fake might have been to make the china appear to be of British origin. The Victoria pottery sold a lot of their wares in Britain, which probably explains the name Victoria.
The Mexican manufacturer may not even have known there was an Austrian/Czechoslavakian/German manufacturer named "Victoria." They may have chosen the name purely because it sounds British.
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